PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING
September 21, 2015
|PLANNING COMMISSIONERS PRESENT||STAFF PRESENT|
|Commissioner Augie Bogina||Planning Director Paul Chaffee|
|Commissioner Bruce Bienhoff||Deputy Planning Director Doug Allmon|
|Commissioner Randy Braley||Planner Mark Zielsdorf|
|Commissioner Dennis Busby||Administrative Assistant Angie Lind|
|Commissioner Doug Hill|
|Commissioner Kathy Peterson|
|Commissioner Les Smith|
|Commissioner Henry Specht|
|Commissioner Alan Willoughby|
|Commissioner Steven Wise|
A. ROLL CALL
CHAIRMAN BOGINA: Commissioner Peterson.
COMMISSIONER PETERSON: Here.
CHAIRMAN BOGINA: Commissioner Willoughby.
COMMISSIONER WILLOUGHBY: Here.
CHAIRMAN BOGINA: Commissioner Bienhoff.
COMMISSIONER BIENHOFF: Here.
CHAIRMAN BOGINA: Commissioner Busby.
COMMISSIONER BUSBY: Here.
CHAIRMAN BOGINA: Commissioner Bogina is here.
CHAIRMAN BOGINA: Commissioner Wise.
COMMISSIONER WISE: Here.
CHAIRMAN BOGINA: Commissioner Braley.
COMMISSIONER BRALEY: Here.
CHAIRMAN BOGINA: Commissioner Specht.
COMMISSIONER SPECHT: Here.
CHAIRMAN BOGINA: Commissioner Smith.
COMMISSIONER SMITH: Here.
CHAIRMAN BOGINA: Commissioner Hill.
COMMISSIONER HILL: Here.
CHAIRMAN BOGINA: Thank you. If you’d please rise and join us in the Pledge of Allegiance.
B. PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE
CHAIRMAN BOGINA: Thank you. Item C is the Consent Agenda. Items 1 through 6 are listed under the Consent Agenda. Unless there is a request to remove an item from the Consent Agenda, the items will be approved in one motion. Is there a request to remove an item from the Consent Agenda? If not, is there a motion to approve the Consent Agenda?
C. CONSENT ITEMS:
2. SUP-08-10-08; REVIEW OF THE SPECIAL USE PERMIT FOR ABC’S AND 123’S DAYCARE, TO ALLOW A DAYCARE WITH UP TO TWELVE (12) CHILDREN IN THE PLANNED SINGLE FAMILY ZONING DISTRICT, LOCATED AT 4705 LONE ELM.
3. SUP-06-98-09; REVIEW OF THE SPECIAL USE PERMIT PREVIOUSLY ISSUED TO BURDOLSKI AUTO WERKS, TO OPERATE AN AUTO BODY REPAIR SHOP IN THE TOWNSQUARE ZONING DISTRICT, LOCATED AT 11114 WEST 60TH STREET.
4. SUP-08-01-09; REVIEW OF THE SPECIAL USE PERMIT PREVIOUSLY ISSUED TO KENTUCKY FRIED CHICKEN/TACO BELL RESTAURANT, TO OPERATE A RESTAURANT IN THE COMMERCIAL NEIGHBORHOOD ZONING DISTRICT, LOCATED AT 5650 HEDGE LANE TERRACE.
5. SUP-08-86-07; REVIEW OF THE SPECIAL USE PERMIT PREVIOUSLY ISSUED TO C.E. (BUD) BESCH, TO OPERATE OLYMPIC CAR WASH IN THE COMMERCIAL NEIGHBORHOOD ZONING DISTRICT, LOCATED AT 6401 NIEMAN ROAD.
6. SUP-09-09-09; REVIEW OF THE SPECIAL USE PERMIT PERVIOUSLY ISSUED TO CASEY'S GENERAL STORE, TO ALLOW A CONVENIENCE STORE WITH GAS PUMPS, LOCATED AT 20810 JOHNSON DRIVE.
COMMISSIONER BIENHOFF: Mr. Chairman, I move for approval of the Consent Agenda as submitted by staff and subject to conditions submitted.
CHAIRMAN BOGINA: Thank you. Commissioner Specht.
COMMISSIONER SPECHT: Second the motion.
CHAIRMAN BOGINA: There’s a motion and a second to approve the Consent Agenda, all in favor.
CHAIRMAN BOGINA: Opposed? Motion passes.
D. NEW BUSINESS
PLANNER ZIELSDORF: The applicant requests rezoning approval from CN (Commercial Neighborhood) and R-1 (Single Family Residential) to R-1 (Single Family Residential) for a property generally located on the west side of Monrovia Street, just north of Johnson Drive at 5832 Monrovia. This property is platted as Lot 2 of Market Merchandisers Estates and currently contains a single family home. The north 25 feet of the lot is zoned R-1, with the remainder being zoned CN. This is the lot here we’re talking about. The property was platted in 2013 to clean up the parcel lines, but the split zoning was left in place as it did not impact the use of the property. The owner desires to sell the property for single family residential use now and with the split zoning on the lot is making it difficult for potential buyers to get financing on the property.
The subject property is zoned both CN and R-1. Properties to the north, east, and west are all zoned R-1 and developed with single family homes. Properties to the south along Johnson Drive are zoned CN and developed with businesses or legal non-conforming single family homes.
The Land Use Guide of the Comprehensive Plan indicates medium density residential uses as appropriate for this area. This designation encourages potential redevelopment in the area to have a higher residential density that currently exists. However, the use of this property is consistent with the single family homes located to the north, east and west that were establish prior to the 1970s. This particular single family home on this property was constructed in 1950.
This lot contains 9,973 square feet and has approximately 57 feet of frontage along Monrovia Street. The lot was platted in 2013 for conveyance purposes to clean up the existing parcel boundaries. The existing structures are considered legal nonconforming as to the bulk regulations of the R-1 zoning district. While the existing structures are allowed to remain, they are, where they are they would not be allowed to be altered in such a way to further encroach into the minimum setbacks as required for the R-1 zoning district.
Access to the property is from an existing driveway off of Monrovia Street. The existing driveway will continue to be shared with Lot 1 as it is today. Both the Market Merchandisers Estates plat and a separate easement agreement recorded with the Johnson County Register of Deeds office established the use and maintenance responsibilities of the shared driveway. Access to this lot is adequate for public safety purposes.
The rezoning of this property should not have a detrimental effect upon the surrounding area. The same residential structure has existed at this location since 1950, and although it was used commercially for a short period of time in the early 2000s, it’s predominate use as a single family dwelling has existed since its original construction. The use as a single family dwelling is consistent with the surrounding single family uses to the north, east and west.
Denial of the rezoning request would not appear to benefit the public. The rezoning will clear up the ambiguity of allowed uses that the split zoning districts currently create on this lot.
As far as staff’s recommendation, Planning staff recommends approval of Z-02-15-09, rezoning from CN (Commercial Neighborhood) and R-1 (Single Family Residential) to R-1 (Single Family Residential) for a property located at 5832 Monrovia Street, subject to the following condition:
1. Publication of the rezoning ordinance.
CHAIRMAN BOGINA: Thank you, Mark. Is the applicant present? Hi.
APPLICANT: I’m Mark Croft.
CHAIRMAN BOGINA: Could you give us your address, please?
MR. CROFT: I’m at (Address omitted from record.)
CHAIRMAN BOGINA: Thank you. Have you read the staff report and are you in agreement with the staff’s recommendations?
MR. CROFT: Yes and yes, I am.
CHAIRMAN BOGINA: Does the Commission have any questions for the staff or the applicant? Thank you. This would be a public hearing so if anyone wishes to speak on this item, they should come forward. Hearing none, we would be in Commission discussion.
COMMISSIONER BIENHOFF: Yes, Mr. Chairman, I would just, my observation is it just seems to make sense to go ahead and rezone this as far as it fits in with the surrounding property as reported by staff.
CHAIRMAN BOGINA: Thank you. Is there a motion on this item? Commissioner Willoughby.
COMMISSIONER WILLOUGHBY: I move for approval of Z-02-15-09; rezoning from CN and R-1 to R-1 for a property located at 5832 Monrovia Street, subject to the conditions, staff conditions.
CHAIRMAN BOGINA: Thank you. Commissioner Bienhoff.
COMMISSIONER BIENHOFF: I would second that.
CHAIRMAN BOGINA: There’s a motion and second to approve Z-02-15-09; consideration of rezoning from CN and R-1 to R-1 for property located at 5832 Monrovia, all in favor?
CHAIRMAN BOGINA: Opposed? Motion passes, thank you.
PLANNING DIRECTOR CHAFFEE: The State Statutes require the Planning Commission to review and comment on the City’s Capital Improvement Plan, or commonly called the CIP, on an annual basis; generally we take a look at our CIP for the next year and the following 5 years during the late summer or early fall and then the Governing Body adopts their Capital Improvement Plan sometime in October or November and the reason that we do it at that point in time is usually all of the grant cycles are finished and completed, the Governing Body has made some budget decisions and then they’re preparing to make some decisions on future budgets as the time goes on through the late fall and early winter.
So, the CIP generally covers stormwater-type improvements, street improvements, sidewalk improvements, and we do those on a cycle that a lot of times is set by when funds might become available so it may be a project that we do sooner than we had originally anticipated because grant funds are available rather than at other times. So, before I go through the CIP project, not project by project, but sort of an overview, I wanted to go through the headers for you so you understand what each of those abbreviations mean and why we, what sources of funds those are and generally the state, federal, CDBG, and other funds are special funding sources from other governmental agencies. The KDOT funds are monies that can only be used on streets that are identified in the Federal Highway System. When we get to CARS it’s a little bit different; or, there are grants that flow through KDOT for such things as bike trails, pathways; the City’s been very fortunate in the past and has done very well in submitting applications for those types of funds for alternative means of transportation as well as for some improvements to some of the major streets. And then the CDBG is a Community Development Block Grant fund, we’re an entitlement city, we only get about $230,000 dollars, it’s based on population, age of housing stock, the percent of the population that’s in poverty, and there are about 1,200 entitlements across the country, every city who has a population over
$50,000 (50,000 in population) participates in the pot which is all right except as new cities get in and they don’t increase the $3.2 billion available for CDBG as new programs come in and then they have to allocate funds for those cities as they enter and other cities that may be losing population and go under $50,000 (50,000 in population) there’s a 3-year kind of weaning rule that wean them off the CDBG funds; those can be used for a variety of uses. The Governing Body is pretty open as to how they can use the funds, provided that they provide benefit to low and moderate income families and low and moderate income neighborhoods. It’s a 3-pronged approach; it can be used for infrastructure projects which we primarily do for streets/stormwater work; with the amount of funding we get we’re able to do about a block of something at a time and that’s with the City kicking in additional funds to cover on the cost of those improvements. We also use our funds for, $25,000 of them go to our Minor Home Repair program, which is a program for low and moderate income residents that need assistance; it could be either their roof is bad; air conditioner goes out; the plumbing is just shot; the electrical systems aren’t good; they have to qualify on a income base, so it’s a, not a neighborhood program, but a City wide and it’s based on income. The infrastructure projects have to be in neighborhoods that have, in Shawnee at least, 43% low or moderate income persons and those we have about 42 census tracts, so those are the 10 tracts that have the most low or moderate income. Normally under the program it would be 51%, but there are exceptions that are made for suburban communities that otherwise wouldn’t qualify for having any neighborhoods available. And then we can use up to 15% of our CDBG funds for human service providers and in Shawnee we do a 5-year plan and so we use our human service funds provide subsidized childcare through YMCA for before and after school care and Johnson County Parks and Rec for the summer program that they provide; and then we provide funding for subsistence payments to Northeast Catholic Charities and to the Salvation Army and applicants can’t go to both to get funds; they can only get funds from one source and then those funds can only be used for Shawnee residents so YMCA or Johnson County Park and Rec or Northeast Catholic Charities can’t use Shawnee’s CDBG money for people who live in Merriam. Sometimes that’s kind of sticky because someone will come and tell them that they live in Shawnee Mission and they don’t double check the address and so they have to tell the them we’re sorry but we gave funds to someone in Merriam so we can’t reimburse you, but they’re beginning to learn so that’s what the CDBG program is.
CARS is the County Assisted Street program. There are some qualifications on that is generally for collector and arterial streets in the past until about 2 years ago it was mainly for funding the improvements like turning a ditch section road into a road with curb and gutter. You know, the last few years they’ve opened it up for some maintenance projects sort of initiated with the cities in the northeast part of the community that really didn’t need the new streets to be paved but for maintenance so CARS has opened up a bid for maintenance; we turn in a list annually of the next 3 or 4 years and then they’re rated against each other and however far the money goes, that’s what gets funded. Shawnee does well with CARS, also.
SMAC is the County Stormwater Management plan that goes for stormwater improvements.
Parks and Pipes is the City’s sales tax. Half goes to Pipes, which is stormwater, mostly for stormwater maintenance and then Parks goes in for improvements to our parks. A lot of the funds for Erfurt Park came from Pipes portion of the… or the Parks portion of the sales tax and could also be used for land acquisition. We have a smaller fund that we have set up that we collect off of, $400 for each single family residence at the time of building permit; we collect some off of commercial improvements; and $0.8 on industrial ground of total square footage in a special fund that can only be used for park land improvements, so we have some sources of funding that way, too.
The special highway, the special highway is the gas tax; the State collects the gas tax and then they keep their portion and then they divvy out to the different communities based on population and share of dollars. Taking a look you can kind of see how much the City of Shawnee gets on an annual basis.
The stormwater utility, that’s the $32 per residence on your tax bill and then for commercial/industrial properties there’s a form that we use on impervious surface, so that’s calculated and collected off the tax bills.
General fund and other is pretty much like it is, its money that they authorize in the general fund; general obligation debt that is when we issue bond payments, it is also funding that comes from our Economic Development fund; Economic Development fund is approximately this year about $3.3 million that we collect from Waste Management which is the successor from Deffenbaugh, part of the agreement for extending the time at the landfill was that they would make annual payments to us over the life of, the remaining life of the landfill and past the point where it was sort of a steady pattern where it increases 3% a year for a term, for a period of time. And a benefit district is a project that is set up that’s in cooperation with the City and the property owners’ streets, which Commissioner Bienhoff is probably pretty familiar with, specials as am I, when Wedgewood would develop, streets like Blackfish Parkway, 71st Street, Lackman when we enter into agreements with a developer, in some cases the developer pays all the costs associated with the benefit district payments are spread out for residents inside the district, generally paid out over a 10-year period on their tax bill, if they go on the bill then the interest that is accrued gets paid, there’s a 3-month or so window where if you want to pay off your special you can pay it off and then it’s not on your tax bill and you don’t have to make the interest payment and those funds is where collected they go to pay off the geo debt to retire the bonds that we issued for the project.
So, I’m gonna kind of go through some of the projects that we have; and there’s no definition or difference between if they’re in a blue area or if they’re in a white area, it’s just to kind of help you figure out where the next year is.
So, what we have is in 2016, well let me, it’s probably gonna be easier, street projects that are listed is:
• Johnson Drive between Quivira and Pflumm in 2016
• Johnson Drive between Martindale Road and Ogg Road in 2017
• Pflumm Road between 65th Terrace and the south city limits in 2018 (and that one also includes a stop light/signal at 71st and Pflumm)
• Lackman Road between 63rd Street and the south city limits in 2019
• 75th and Quivira Intersection Improvements in 2019 (and those are going to be in conjunction with Lenexa; they have ¼ of that corner)
• Midland Drive between Lackman to Elmridge (just west of I-435; the street just before you get to the Courtyard; it’s actually the street on the side that kind of follows 435 and then curves to the west) in 2020
• The 2021 CARS project is funded but yet to be determined
• Johnson Drive and Woodland Improvements in 2015 (they have been bid and are underway; a signal is being installed at that intersection)
• 43rd Street between Frisbie and K-7 Highway in 2017 (in anticipation of the Eco-Commerce Center which is sort of our next industrial park type of area that we’re looking at undertaking and that will be using funds from the Eco-Devo funds to spur development)
• Nieman Road Improvements between 55th Street and Shawnee Mission Parkway in 2017
• Barton between 67th Street and 66th Terrace in 2017 (and that’s a CDBG project for next year, it’s sort of the little street that’s north of 67th Street between Shawnee Community Services is on the east side and the older neighborhood is on the west side of that street)
• 59th and Caenen- Phase 4 in 2015 (both of those are up in that area there where they’ve been doing the work around QuikTrip)
• Nieman Corridor South in 2016 (area near 62nd and Nieman) in 2016 (that by the creek that goes between, behind the self-storage and Commerce Bank and then you’ve got Advanced Auto and the Nieman Plaza shopping center on the other side so that’s the creek on Nieman Road south)
• 52nd Circle to 53rd Street, east of West Flanders Park
There are several park projects that are listed in the CIP. Those of you who were on Planning Commission last year noted that we didn’t have any projects that we listed on the CIP at all because Parks and Pipes sales tax was expiring; we weren’t going to the voters until November and we didn’t know whether or not there’d be any funding for any parks so we didn’t have them on and I’m glad this year that since Parks and Pipes sales tax did pass we have some projects on:
• Nieman Road to Turkey Creek trial in 2016
• Phase 4 site work at Shawnee Town 1929 (to prepare for the next set of stores that’ll be constructed over in that area) in 2016
• Stump Park Stream Stabilization (along Millcreek) in 2016
• East Riverside Park (43rd Street – 1st of Sand and Gravel areas east of K-7 Highway, north of 43rd Street) Master Plan for 2017 (we have funds from Parks and Pipes and other funds and we’ve been collecting royalties from Holiday Sand & Gravel; when they’re pumping sand out we get a royalty on each ton; so we have some sort of funding source; that project will be in conjunction with Bonner Springs since that western 1/3 of the lake is actually in Bonner Springs, as opposed to Shawnee)
• 55th and Belmont Park Development in 2020 (that is a park on the north side of, that we have the ground, it’s on the north side of 55th Street about ¾ of a mile west of K-7 Highway)
I think it’s important to note that the last two years the Planning Commission recommended the Governing Body consider placement of Gleason Road from the south city limits to 71st Street be placed on the CIP since Erfurt Park will be opening here in about 3-weeks’ time. One of the items, or an exercise the Governing Body’s doing right now that will help them further prioritize for next year is staff gave a prioritization list to the Governing Body and said let’s say we can start bonding projects again, we’re paying down well enough, we haven’t issued any bonds for a while it’s time we can consider doing that again and be able to make funding payments or have sources to assist so the amount that’s bonded isn’t necessarily like… so they’ve been given $50 million to play with and a list of about 60 different types of projects; our projects, stormwater projects; street projects; two of the street projects that are included, Gleason is one of them, 71st Street is another; projects like the Community Center out west that we have the land for; construction for a fire station; some acquisition of some ground along Millcreek so we can form our own land bank, as developers as they develop properties, if they’re disturbing any ground that may be a wetland as opposed to wetland they have to pay a fee or buy units in a land bank, so we think if we can get the ground at a decent price since there isn’t any other land bank left in Johnson County, the one out south has all been purchased and bought their units, we think that it provides an opportunity to access some funding from that, and what that means certainly for folks in Shawnee having it close by we can show them some positive results; what happens is the land turns into eventually park ground or turned into stream, you can use it for stream way trails; the one that just got purchased out is down by Blue Valley High School out in Stanley where it turned into sort of a nice nature area type of place.
So, upon review of the 2016-2021 Capital Improvement Plan the Planning Commission shall forward comments they would like to the Governing Body and then approve the Plan as presented.
CHAIRMAN BOGINA: Thank you, Paul. Are there any questions? Commissioner Braley.
COMMISSIONER BRALEY: Yes, thank you Chairman. Paul, I have to say I’m very disappointed that the improvements to Gleason/71st didn’t make our 5-year CIP plan. As you stated, we’ve got a brand new signature park opening out, opening up in two, well I was gonna say two months, two weeks, couple of reasons; it conserves the neighborhood park, but because of the roadways adjacent to the residential communities, I do not feel that it’s safe enough for people to walk, there are no shoulders, there are no curbs, limited sight distance coming up to the park, so you have a neighborhood right across the street that can’t walk to it, you have a retirement village up the street that can’t walk to it and you have another neighborhood which I live in that we cannot walk to it and that just does not make any sense to me honestly; the second thing being that it will be a signature park and I foresee it being lots of events taking place, this is gonna be a park that will probably be visited by people outside of Shawnee or people from eastern parts of Shawnee and I think that drive to the park should represent the similar quality of the park and it will just look incomplete; we’ll have this finished park and an incomplete road system to serve it. So, I just think it goes without saying, it just, it’s beyond me so you know, if it can’t get on the CIP, I guess our only hope is that in this bond exercise that they’re gonna go through, it’ll become a reality and somebody would see the necessity and analyzing that and then as I had said to you earlier, I would be very curious to know what the traffic counts are and when was the last time they did a traffic count at Gleason and 71st with all the development that’s happened with the residential communities, so…thank you, Mr. Chairman.
CHAIRMAN BOGINA: All right. Do you wish to add Commissioner Busby?
COMMISSIONER BUSBY: You know, I kind of got involved in this early and I’m glad to see Commissioner Braley continue on with it because there isn’t anything he said that I disagree with and he was very strong in what he was saying and I wish they would listen to the fact that we have a brand new park that is almost inaccessible for the local people there, thank you.
CHAIRMAN BOGINA: Thank you. Commissioner Hill.
COMMISSIONER HILL: Paul, just a quick question to kind of level me up here a little bit. On the street improvements program, how are those funds earmarked or allocated? It’s a pretty good size number but there really isn’t a break of how that is dispersed.
PLANNING DIRECTOR CHAFFEE: The street improvement plan actually is done on an annual basis so we know what the streets were for 2015, they’ll prepare the list for 2016 and then each year in the spring or when they come up with a list or what we do is every 3 years every street our public works staff goes and evaluates every street and they have a whole list of items that they take a look at and the streets are rated from a 1 to 10, 1 being a poor, 10 being really good and generally the ones that are 10’s are the ones who’ve been overlaid or constructed or improved. It used to be that we tried to get our street improvements on a 12-year cycle then it’s gone to a 15-year cycle and some of it not only is just the length of time but the miles of streets that we also have and the funding that’s available sort of stretches it out a little bit. The 3/8 cent sales tax will help being able to dump more funding into it. To get back to your question, then the streets, there’s a ranking a ranking system from, you know, what’s at a 1 and what’s at a 10 and if there’s $6 million available, the estimated cost we try and go down the list and it’s not necessarily in an order, it may be if there seem to be a lot of number 1’s, let’s say down in Shawnee Village for example but two of the streets down there may be a 3, it’d be more cost effective to (Inaudible) with the contractor we may take those 3’s and bunch them up with the 1’s to get it done at the period of time. So, those are listed out the same with curb work and may or may not follow a street or, and the same with sidewalks. Sidewalks are identified as what needs to be replaced and a lot of those, frankly, come in with our CSR’s during the course of a year and if we can add them on to our current contract we do, if we don’t have the funds left than it’s kind of on the list to get going. So, it’s hard to, I can’t tell you who’s gonna be in 19 and who’s gonna be in 20, but certainly every fall they come up with a list of streets to try and be paved. So, hopefully got some (Inaudible) if any of you, you know, follow the Council or either read their minutes or listen to their meetings, we have a lot of 5 to 1 and it’s just not necessarily, all those streets aren’t that bad, some of them show (Inaudible) or cracking, you know, there’s soil conditions in some subdivisions that no matter how many times you go over and try and mill and overlay, they just don’t last as long because there’s so much clay and the soil, especially if it’s on a slope, it just tugs and pulls regardless of what you try and do, so hopefully I answered your question a little bit.
COMMISSIONER HILL: Yeah, I appreciate the answer, I was just trying to sit here and look and try to balance how, you know, the distribution of the funds across the spreadsheet here and, you know, listen to the importance of the stuff you just described, just trying to balance that.
PLANNING DIRECTOR CHAFFEE: And we have dumped a lot of money in and I, you know, to be honest too, during the recession there were several years where we just didn’t do streets, we just didn’t have the funds to really do it so we’re playing a little bit of catch up and then certainly the voters understood the importance of, you know, having every a viable funding source, at least in the next 10 years for streets. Back on that a little bit, it was a 3/8 cent sales tax; 2/8 or a ¼ goes to resurfacing, mill and overlay, or we’ll do some overlay work out on the western portion of the town, the chip seal; the other 1/8 cent is directed toward the older part of town or the streets that don’t have stormwater/storm sewers and curbs and gutters that’ll go in and bring them more up to the City standard and, you know, I always get surprised, it sounds like they have a lot of money to do a lot of work and they find out that maybe we’re gonna get 4.5-5 miles done, you know, I just, the cost not being, the business just always surprises me how expensive it really is. For example, the little, when we’re doing on 59th Street from Flint over to King, the one block is about a $400,000 project and putting stormwater in and curbs and gutters, repaving the street, it just gets to be expensive.
CHAIRMAN BOGINA: Commissioner Smith.
COMMISSIONER SMITH: Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Paul, I apologize to everyone if I ask some questions that everyone knows the answer to but I’m kinda the new guy in town. I want to go back to Commissioner Braley’s comments about 71st and Gleason, what’s the dollar amount on that project, approximately?
PLANNING DIRECTOR CHAFFEE: You know, I don’t have those sheets in front of myself. It seems like it’s around $1.2 million.
COMMISSIONER SMITH: Where was the City’s investment in the park?
PLANNING DIRECTOR CHAFFEE: It’s over a $1 million mark by the time you acquire ground and then all the improvements we’ve…
COMMISSIONER SMITH: All right.
COMMISSIONER SMITH: So understanding the budgets and the other programs among other…I refer to it as wax on, wax off, the old Karate Kid movie, if you put something on, you’ve gotta take something off. Can you give me a little history maybe on the rational between that not making the program, because from an outsiders driving around the City and you see a lot of things, I’m on board with them 110%.
PLANNING DIRECTOR CHAFFEE: I don’t know their thought process, necessarily. I know that we bring it up to them and have tried to encourage, you know, to that to happen, you know, sometimes perhaps it becomes a little more visible once the park’s really there and people are really using it then maybe that can help with the vision that Planning Commission and staff has tried to relay, you know, as we go forward. Certainly some of the funding for it we had because we did have Parks and Pipes available to us and some grant funds that we were able to get specifically that could only be used for a park, it couldn’t be used for street improvements, that of course, you know, provided the funding for getting the park done and completed. We’ve owned the ground for a long time; I know the folks out west have been waiting an awful long time for a larger community park and all said and done I think we’re gonna be very proud of the park, but as Commissioner Braley said, you know, it may have that unfinished look. So it’s something…what I do tomorrow is send a memo to Development Services and say these are the comments and suggestions and I’ll outline the reasons why if the Planning Commission, you know, decides to approve it with the comment about 71st Street and the comment about Gleason Road and kind of outline the rationale so it gets included in their conversation when they do the CIP.
COMMISSIONER SMITH: Yeah, I mean, unfortunately it, you know, it’s gonna have an unfinished look and looks are nice but this, I think, comes with the price tag of safety and it comes with a price tag of an image as well and especially a new park that’s going to be, I would assume, a destination park; seems to me like you’d want to hit the ground running, but it’s just my opinion.
CHAIRMAN BOGINA: Commissioner Peterson.
COMMISSIONER PETERSON: Once again, this is education on background; I’m assuming that the reason why it hasn’t made the cut is because of those lean years and stormwater isn’t sexy, we all know that, but the situation is that we, if it becomes an emergency situation where a road fails or a neighborhood floods it becomes a huge problem…
CHAIRMAN BOGINA: Or, they may…
COMMISSIONER PETERSON: Can you explain that to me?
CHAIRMAN BOGINA: Yeah, or it may be viewed how much traffic, you know, is an improvement to Lackman more cost efficient; if you take a look at the number of cars that travel, you know, the road so does it end up costing however many dollars per street as opposed to, you know, some of those other factors. And, we really haven’t built a new street for quite a while. Bank in mid-80’s, you know, we did an extension of Johnson Drive and we saw what happened there; right after I got here in 89 we made a decision to improve Monticello between Johnson Drive and 47th Street and I know a lot of folks thought we were crazy to undertake that project but no sooner did we get the street out there and, you know, Frenchman’s Creek was there quick and Hillcrest Farm was there quick and the wastewater district understood that the size of the sewer lines that they had out there wasn’t really gonna handle what we all kept telling them was gonna happen and they went out and built the, you know, regional wastewater treatment plant and, you know, we went from probably 2,000-2,500 residents on the other side of Woodland in 1986 to over 20,000 today, just in a blink of an eye.
CHAIRMAN BOGINA: Thank you, Paul. Is there a motion to forward our approval or disapproval of the 5-year CIP to the City Council, 2016-2021? Commissioner Busby.
COMMISSIONER BUSBY: Thank you, Mr. Chairman. I make a motion we approve the CIP, the 5-year CIP that’s before us with the stipulation of the areas that we’ve discussed, that something needs to be done before 5 years are up and I hope that they can figure out by next year that they can slide that in there, that Gleason Road and 71st Street be updated. That’s my motion, including that.
CHAIRMAN BOGINA: Thank you, Commissioner Braley.
COMMISSIONER BRALEY: I would like to second that motion.
CHAIRMAN BOGINA: There’s a motion and second to recommend to the Council approval of the 6-year CIP from 2016-2021 with the addition of and ask for their consideration of the addition of Gleason Road, all in favor?
CHAIRMAN BOGINA: Opposed? Motion passes.
E. OTHER BUSINESS
PLANNING DIRECTOR CHAFFEE: One item real quick; Andrew’s not here tonight, he caught something from one of his children, so…(Inaudible) so we will reschedule for the work session on City Incentives and have a real good presentation for you on IRB’s are, (Inaudible) what TDD’s, some of the other incentives that we have to entice a business to come (Inaudible) to give you a little bit of what goes on behind the scenes to entice a company to come to town. A lot of times they (Inaudible) to make any commitments (Inaudible) which is a little different than the TIF (Inaudible) Planning Commission plays a role on a TIF; we’ve touched on it (Inaudible) why it is that you have some authority with TIF’s and why you don’t necessarily do with a CID and TDD, just sort of how that all ducktails together, so…
CHAIRMAN BOGINA: Thank you. Does the Commission have any business for the staff? If not, Commissioner Willoughby, do you have a motion to adjourn?
COMMISSIONER WILLOUGHBY: I move that we adjourn.
CHAIRMAN BOGINA: Commissioner Wise.
COMMISSIONER WISE: Second that motion.
CHAIRMAN BOGINA: Motion and second to adjourn, all in favor.
CHAIRMAN BOGINA: Opposed? Motion passes, thank you.